Thread:Godzillafan93/@comment-6052796-20141228020835/@comment-6052796-20141228061758

Beetlejuice is what I like to call Burton's Baby. Because it combines pretty much all the things that describe Burton, that he later kept seperate in his later movies. But the best part is the Juice man himself. Plus it's one of the few Burton films where Fuck is aloud to be said.

Musicals to me depend on the subject matter. I love Rock Opera's mostly because unlike musicals they are mostly just one big music video.

Ya about the whole Batman not killing people, allow me to take you to school on that one. When Batman started out on the golden age of comics, he not only used more lethal methods, but also carried a gun. (Which was another thing Batman forbade in his fight against crime.)  His very first comic Detective Comics #27 depicted him throwing a Gangster into a vat of Acid. However unlike the Joker, that guy didn't make it out with bleached skin or a perma-smile. The no kill rule didn't start out until the Silver Age of comics and was one of the things that the mainstream adopted from the silver age, that was well received.

The Burton Series actually handled the whole thing rather well as a whole. In the first movie, he didn't kill people when he started out and anyone who said he did, was merely inadvertantly spreading the legend. (Much of the legends in the comics often claim Bats to be a killer or a monster or some variation that completely exaggarates him.) Then there was a series of stressers that the Bats was handed. The first is that he failed to save a guy whom if he helped the cops capture alive, they'd nail an even bigger mob boss. Then he finds out said guy, is not only still alive, but the clown prince of crime and more psychotic and dangerous than ever. Finally he finds out that guy was the man who murdered his parents in cold blood, turning the Dark Knight we know. It's a little hard not to break his one rule after that one.

Then Returns comes in, you have him meet Catwoman, who is pretty much no different than he is in terms of rage and revenge, before that, he had no problem offing crooks left and right due to avenging his parents obviously not solving anything. He was about to stop killing criminals as soon as he found out who Catwoman was. The whole ordeal with the Penguins launching Missiles was meant to be an intimidation tactic by him and the Penguin pushing the button pretty much caused his own death. Even the crappy Batman Forever touched upon how he felt in Returns when he tries to talk Robin out of getting Two-Face

"Then it will happen this way: You make the kill, but your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run out into the night to find another face, and another, and another, until one terrible morning you wake up and realize that revenge has become your whole life. And you won't know why."

Now you could argue that the Burton/Schumacher movies were their own continuity and that the other adaptations have pretty much taken cues from the mainstream Batman. However there has been so much loophole abuse in those matters it's not even funny.

In the Comics, was the only one that killed Darkseid.

For the animated series, Batman's pretty much not pulling his punches against the Joker, one could argue that he's Savvy enough to know that Joker's cheated death and he expects him to show up anytime now, but there's always that chance he is wrong. Joker does die at the hands of a Batman in the animated continuity though, just not the Batman we know.

For the Nolan flicks, where do I even begin. He kills Ra's Al Ghul's doppelganger, by distracting him till he's killed by a falling beam. The train crash was orchestrated by him and Gordon, making it a team effort that only involves Bats not having to save Ra's. Two Face got thrown out the window when Batman tried moving Gordon's son away from him. Finally, Talia was killed directly by the Bat Plane's Cannons